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« Reply #8 on: 26 December 2005, 09:54:00 PM »
Offline skyline1301
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thanx bro...u memang besh lh Grin banyak dapat blaja...saya akan cube pahamkan bende2 yang dah dibagi ni thanx...erm,ade sape2 bleh bagitau camne motor berfungsi?saya perlukan gamba skema motor...thanx...
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« Reply #7 on: 26 December 2005, 08:38:23 PM »
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Tekin dah keluar prototype brushless for touring 1/10.....tapi tak pasti system apa dia pakai....munkin next year sampai kat kita....
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« Reply #6 on: 26 December 2005, 08:34:54 PM »
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Soory le..yop..tak perasan...mu betoi..SS5800

1. sensored & sensoreless
Secara mudahnya.....sensored system nie menggunakan sensore to detect magnet pole position...so, esc tau coil mana to be fire to rotate the magnet and shaft....so, less work to esc...esc ada micro cip nak process data.....so, ada extra wire......part nie yg selalu ada problem (sensored kat esc)....biasa berlaku kat novak system termasuk GTB.....

sensoreless pulak guna pulse signal  to detect magnet.... macam guessing (agak-agak)...saya tak berapa pandai dalam bab nie....system byk bergtg kpd software to proces data.....more advange software more sensitve throttle response......lagi satu info.. the latest software version for U-force75 boleh charge batteri masa breaking....

2. slot & slotless motor
Slot....dia ada core iron yg berbalut wire dekat can....
Slotless....cuma ada wire.....samaada W or delta patent.....

Senang nak beza....slot motor susah nak pusing dgn tangan....lagi ketat dari stock motor..... slotless almost free...

3 Type of winding
Saya kurang sikit bab nie.....cuba guna google......senang nak cari...siap dgn animation lagi.....taip brushless winding

4. Inner Runner and Out runner
Inner runner magnet kat dalam....out runner magnet kat luar....so far tak pernah jumpa out runner guna kat rc car.....kalau boleh diguna....saya percaya....system nie paling tinggi torquenya......tapi menggunakan higher voltage but low amp...



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« Reply #5 on: 26 December 2005, 02:41:35 PM »
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Secara umumnya brushless boleh dikategory dalam beberapa cara...
1. sensored & sensoreless
2. slot & slotless motor
3 Type of winding


Berdasar pengalaman saya dengan brushless system nie...kat matket cikalang.....

Novak SS++ dgn motor SS5300 & SS4300
Novak GTB dgn motor velocity 5.5 and 6.5
LRP system
Hacker
Kontronik
Lehner
Schulze
Tekin

Ada company hanya keluarkan motor sahaja...ada yg esc sahaja...masih tak banyak brushless system untuk kereta...cuba bukak forum radiocontrolzone....under title brushless system...this is best forum for brushless so far..

System pertama saya....Novak SS dgn SS5300...banyak yg kata kalu kat touring sama macam 12T brush motor termasuklah saya.......motor tak masuk apa-apa kategory....nak masuk modified tak cukup power.....dgn stock laju sangat pulak.....kalau kena ratio boleh main kat tight track....Bagi saya ia mid-range torque motor....even gear ratio.....

System kedua.......Novak SS++....bezanya cuma ada adjustable drage brake dgn boleh pakai brush motor sekali.....

System ketiga.....ESC Schulze 12.49e dgn lehner 5300...lebih kurang 9T brush motor.....ada delay..macam turbo lag lah...kat tight susah nak bawak....kena ubah driving style.....top speed tinggi....sebagai perbandingan....SS5300 design up to 200watt Lehner 5300 up to 700watt

System terbaru....ESC Schluze U-Force75 dgn motor Plettenberg Shadow.....cukup puas hati dgn system nie....sukar nak dibezakan samada brushless atau brush system.....my Xray FK05 drive train struggle nak handdle power dari system nie..... kurang 20pack battery....dah dua belt dgn dua spur hancur...mungin banyak batu kot....cuma main kat TT sekali kat Glenmarie.....tak ada masalah over taking V2 7T teamorion...kat straight line.....tak ada delay....naturally dah ada drake brake....adjustable....can be fully computer programm. This is slot brushless motor...

Banyak lagi boleh kongsikan tentang brushless....kalau berminat...



Fulamak baik punyer pengalaman la...biler maser pulak ader Novak ss5300 ? akakaka...ss5800 ader la bang.  Grin

p/s: jgn marah yer kamil...cantek,menarik,ko memang gempak. Kalau main EP offroad ajak ler aku sekali.  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #4 on: 26 December 2005, 01:13:31 PM »
Offline skyline1301
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thanx bro...boleh x sape2 tolong terangkan yang ni? Grin
1. sensored & sensoreless
2. slot & slotless motor
3 Type of winding

need more info....thanx...
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« Reply #3 on: 26 December 2005, 12:48:35 PM »
Offline offroader
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Secara umumnya brushless boleh dikategory dalam beberapa cara...
1. sensored & sensoreless
2. slot & slotless motor
3 Type of winding


Berdasar pengalaman saya dengan brushless system nie...kat matket cikalang.....

Novak SS++ dgn motor SS5300 & SS4300
Novak GTB dgn motor velocity 5.5 and 6.5
LRP system
Hacker
Kontronik
Lehner
Schulze
Tekin

Ada company hanya keluarkan motor sahaja...ada yg esc sahaja...masih tak banyak brushless system untuk kereta...cuba bukak forum radiocontrolzone....under title brushless system...this is best forum for brushless so far..

System pertama saya....Novak SS dgn SS5300...banyak yg kata kalu kat touring sama macam 12T brush motor termasuklah saya.......motor tak masuk apa-apa kategory....nak masuk modified tak cukup power.....dgn stock laju sangat pulak.....kalau kena ratio boleh main kat tight track....Bagi saya ia mid-range torque motor....even gear ratio.....

System kedua.......Novak SS++....bezanya cuma ada adjustable drage brake dgn boleh pakai brush motor sekali.....

System ketiga.....ESC Schulze 12.49e dgn lehner 5300...lebih kurang 9T brush motor.....ada delay..macam turbo lag lah...kat tight susah nak bawak....kena ubah driving style.....top speed tinggi....sebagai perbandingan....SS5300 design up to 200watt Lehner 5300 up to 700watt

System terbaru....ESC Schluze U-Force75 dgn motor Plettenberg Shadow.....cukup puas hati dgn system nie....sukar nak dibezakan samada brushless atau brush system.....my Xray FK05 drive train struggle nak handdle power dari system nie..... kurang 20pack battery....dah dua belt dgn dua spur hancur...mungin banyak batu kot....cuma main kat TT sekali kat Glenmarie.....tak ada masalah over taking V2 7T teamorion...kat straight line.....tak ada delay....naturally dah ada drake brake....adjustable....can be fully computer programm. This is slot brushless motor...

Banyak lagi boleh kongsikan tentang brushless....kalau berminat...

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« Reply #2 on: 25 December 2005, 09:11:43 PM »
Offline skyline1301
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owh,thanx bro...tapi saya nak banyak lagi info tentang ni...nak try cari dalam google nnt...tapi harap pro kat sini bleh terangkan lagi untuk buat saya lebih paham...maklum  la,BI xterer sgt Grin erm,motor brushless dan non brushless same ke Turn die?maksud saya ade ke motor brushless dan non brushless 23T atau bape T yang lain?atau motor brushless diklas kan untuk turn-turn yang tertentu atau macam mane?tolong jelaskn...erm,kalo sesiapa yang ade gamba skema motor brushless dan non brushless lagi baik...thank...
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« Reply #1 on: 25 December 2005, 05:50:14 PM »
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Design motor brushless adalah terbalik, magnet yang putar bukan gulungan wire seperti motor brush biasa. Jadi brushless tak perlu tukar carbon brush ataupun potong commutator.

So far, brushless lebih jimat battery = masa main lebih panjang.

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« on: 25 December 2005, 05:24:40 PM »
Offline skyline1301
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assalamualaikum,
saya nak tanye pro-pro semua,apakah perbezaan antara motor brushless dan motor bukan brushless??boleh tolong jelaskan serba sedikit tak??saya perlukan maklumat ini untuk kajian saya...thanx...
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