Comments/Discussions/Suggestions After MNC4......

[Nitro_Dust]

[MALAYSIA NATIONAL]

Guys,
1. If not satisfied, don't keep quiet at the crime scene, get loud!
2. If you think you can help the organisers in doing the scrutineering, extend your help. Mind you, we did advertised for expertise in helping the organisers (at every round).
3. Ingat kata org tua: "Berani kerana benar, takut kerana salah".
4. Keyword for MNC EP 2005: "Have Fun, Will Travel". If you think you can't have fun in MNC EP, you are in the wrong state of mind.

Tapi yang peliknya, everybody was smiling, laughing & joking around during my brief time I was there on both days, what happened?

Anyway, let's be wary of what happened & let the organisers take note of all the problems, complaints and others. Macam Pak Ya kata: RC racers are his customers & as usual, 'customers are always right' in getting their money worth.

Organisers will always try to satisfy every single one of the 'customers', rest assured about that fact.

Let's talk about the next MNC round, shall we?

Ciao
 

No offence,
Hope that Organizer do have proper planning, procedure,etc and everythings are clear to the driver in future before the RACE DAY. MALAYSIA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP  is a big name.  It should be seen as different from other ordinary races. Drivers should be proud to be a participant and can't stop talking about MNC. Please..  

[Nitro_Dust]

Enough said about the possibilties of cheats lets not spoil a satisfying occasion with great sunsine and fun from the word go until time to go.

I was worried when the sky was heavy bearing water and a impending repeat of MNC 2 all over again. With the wash out buggy race very fresh in mind, I was really praying (albeit silently) for the clouds to migrate to Ipoh temporarilly.

Imagine my delight when it started to thin out and my turn to run my heats came. Mind you that was the 1st time my Xray touched the new TTwangsa track without any testing at all. It proformed magnificently and it was best ever for me a fun driver. For me that race was the best run I ever wanted. Never mind the next driver, the idea is to have fun and to make sure my customers - you, RC drivers, are happy with our service.

I know winning is the ultimate but remember there is always a next time. I always try to make friends where ever I go and will try to be the 1st one to extend my hands out to new aquiantances. Being called PAK YA is my prize in RC.  

So guys to be a Champion in RC do not mean you need to be an OCY.
I have been in RC since 1986 and the passion is strong in my heart so says Obi Wan Kenobi.

See you in the next MNC.

With my respect to you being in RC since 1986.

[Nitro_Dust]

yaa....this is i'm talk about....

thanks chee yong with the explaination...

Dear Faidzal,
Sorry if I've offended you. That is not my intention. Sorry bro.
In this real world, we don't run from problems or issues. We solve them. There is how we can become better.

I'm still learning just like you. It's not anybody fault on the issue of checking motors. many factor rises behind it. I don't know the best method to check stock motor but at least with this issue, A discussion can be made positively and people like us can gain the benefit of it. Pro like Chee Yong can at least explained to us the best method use nowadays especially when technology can't wait and our pocket is our constrain.

[Nitro_Dust]

And since the 'modified stock' is the hot topic I would like to share my opinion as well. I would like to highlight a few things:

1. a 12 turn fitted into a stock motor using a stock motor ratio? Possible? Hmm....

2. bushings replaced by bearings significant? till its like a 12 T speed? Hmm...
3. Batteries? Ahh... the biggest difference. New SMC top range 35A version vs older cells...big difference!

4. motor maintenence? cutting of comm every run? huge difference.

5. driving style? huge difference!

6. the stock armature can be easily seen on the endbell or thru the ventilation holes of the can. can anyone tell me the difference...?

I did saw "the accused" drive so here is my conclusion, he was very consistent & had good racing lines. In fact the best in the category not just for this race but thru-out the MNC series. Not that I want to brag but If my team members or i were to race, i believe we will be a lap up on him, we cheat too? Hmm...
Good racing lines carry good speed thru corners & by the time you hit the straights, max speed is achieved earlier. Therefore from the spectator's point of view, a good driver looks slow round corners but super fast down the straight with great lap times. Maybe it is this factor thats playing tricks on our mind & not an innocent chap cheating.
And since the race is over, no point in pursuing this matter. It should have been brought up there & then & I would be glad to be the inspector since I could cheat the best. he he...
I have seen many people cheat and yet not win. Super fast cars & yet not win. Super duper equipments & yet not win. Y? There is always someone better out there who is just simply better.

Just my 2 cents...

Cheers

Please dear Sirs, I'm not takking on the "accussed driver" and I don't bother about him even though I my self disagree with Chee Yong coz' I never left my eye blink when the driver is running and also Chee yong. Chee yong with no mistake, yes I agree. The stock guy....ha.......ha......... hmmm.  With 'fast motor' against those '23T stock'. you can afford to make mistakes. I saw him tumbling, not once but several, still managed to over take "Sincere" drivers. OK....no use to talk about the "accused driver". damage had been done.

The point is, we are focusing on a person and we left others, a big group. those who realy want to have fun.

Enough of the Accused Driver. We now back to the MODIFIED STOCK.

1. a 12 turn fitted into a stock motor using a stock motor ratio? Possible?.
Answ :- No, you'll burnt the armature. So use the range of 12T motor.

2. bushings replaced by bearings significant? till its like a 12 T speed?
Answ :- No, but faster than 23T

3. Batteries? Ahh... the biggest difference. New SMC top range 35A version vs older cells...big difference!
Answ :- Agreed but compare to other matched brand with only 30A but higher Voltage reading 1.194 Volts and low internal resistance 2.2 ohms. what is SMC 35 Amps. I've checked with Danny of SMC, they don't have yet battery as high readings as what I've mention. I saw other participant using that batt. in MNC 4 race.

4. motor maintenence? cutting of comm every run? huge difference.
Answ :- Agreed. To add. proper break-in after each thru.

5. driving style? huge difference.
Answ:- Oh yeah. No COMMENT.

[Nitro_Dust]

Nitro,

Rayspeed white springs all round (medium firm) front & rear 450wt oil & rayspeed 3 hole pistons. Of course there is the goemetry but difficult to explain.

Thanks bro. its ok on the rest.

Guys,
1. If not satisfied, don't keep quiet at the crime scene, get loud!
2. If you think you can help the organisers in doing the scrutineering, extend your help. Mind you, we did advertised for expertise in helping the organisers (at every round).
3. Ingat kata org tua: "Berani kerana benar, takut kerana salah".
4. Keyword for MNC EP 2005: "Have Fun, Will Travel". If you think you can't have fun in MNC EP, you are in the wrong state of mind.

Tapi yang peliknya, everybody was smiling, laughing & joking around during my brief time I was there on both days, what happened?

Anyway, let's be wary of what happened & let the organisers take note of all the problems, complaints and others. Macam Pak Ya kata: RC racers are his customers & as usual, 'customers are always right' in getting their money worth.

Organisers will always try to satisfy every single one of the 'customers', rest assured about that fact.

Let's talk about the next MNC round, shall we?

Ciao
 

[Pak Ya]

Enough said about the possibilties of cheats lets not spoil a satisfying occasion with great sunsine and fun from the word go until time to go.

I was worried when the sky was heavy bearing water and a impending repeat of MNC 2 all over again. With the wash out buggy race very fresh in mind, I was really praying (albeit silently) for the clouds to migrate to Ipoh temporarilly.

Imagine my delight when it started to thin out and my turn to run my heats came. Mind you that was the 1st time my Xray touched the new TTwangsa track without any testing at all. It proformed magnificently and it was best ever for me a fun driver. For me that race was the best run I ever wanted. Never mind the next driver, the idea is to have fun and to make sure my customers - you, RC drivers, are happy with our service.

I know winning is the ultimate but remember there is always a next time. I always try to make friends where ever I go and will try to be the 1st one to extend my hands out to new aquiantances. Being called PAK YA is my prize in RC.  

So guys to be a Champion in RC do not mean you need to be an OCY.
I have been in RC since 1986 and the passion is strong in my heart so says Obi Wan Kenobi.

See you in the next MNC.

[Chee Yong]

And since the 'modified stock' is the hot topic I would like to share my opinion as well. I would like to highlight a few things:

1. a 12 turn fitted into a stock motor using a stock motor ratio? Possible? Hmm....

2. bushings replaced by bearings significant? till its like a 12 T speed? Hmm...
3. Batteries? Ahh... the biggest difference. New SMC top range 35A version vs older cells...big difference!

4. motor maintenence? cutting of comm every run? huge difference.

5. driving style? huge difference!

6. the stock armature can be easily seen on the endbell or thru the ventilation holes of the can. can anyone tell me the difference...?

I did saw "the accused" drive so here is my conclusion, he was very consistent & had good racing lines. In fact the best in the category not just for this race but thru-out the MNC series. Not that I want to brag but If my team members or i were to race, i believe we will be a lap up on him, we cheat too? Hmm...
Good racing lines carry good speed thru corners & by the time you hit the straights, max speed is achieved earlier. Therefore from the spectator's point of view, a good driver looks slow round corners but super fast down the straight with great lap times. Maybe it is this factor thats playing tricks on our mind & not an innocent chap cheating.
And since the race is over, no point in pursuing this matter. It should have been brought up there & then & I would be glad to be the inspector since I could cheat the best. he he...
I have seen many people cheat and yet not win. Super fast cars & yet not win. Super duper equipments & yet not win. Y? There is always someone better out there who is just simply better.

Just my 2 cents...

Cheers

[Chee Yong]

Nitro,

Rayspeed white springs all round (medium firm) front & rear 450wt oil & rayspeed 3 hole pistons. Of course there is the goemetry but difficult to explain.

[Nitro_Dust]

[pada beginner dan ODin66]

ok....kat sinie...saya bukan nak back up sesaper....betui ape yg dikatakan oleh pak ya nie....teringat saya masa zaman QD dulu....pernah terjadi perkara macam nie.....sorang dua tu register nick dia hanya utk hentam organizer....dan tengok sekarang nie.....mana peginya perlumbaan QD....dah takda....kalo dulu dulu....setiap minggu ade perlumbaan QD.....tapi sekarang lansung takda....so...saya harap perkara macam nie tak terjadi pada 1:10 RC pulak....

pada beginner dan ODin66
mungkin say kenal awak...atau mungkin jugak tak kenal.....saya bukannye nak marah sebab komen ini....tapi kenapa semasa pemeriksaan...anda berdua tidak tampil kehadapan dan komen direct pada kami...??...kan lagi bagus....komen tu memang bagus utk organizer...kami sedia menerimanya...tapi sesudah abis race baru nak komen macam nie....kami sendiri pun tak dapat nak buat ape.....benda dah berlalu...kami buat semua nie pun atas permintaan dan utk memuaskan peserta(mungkin anda berdua)....dan disaksikan oleh kebanyakan peserta(mungkin anda pun sama)...

ok...saya adalah salah sorang yg memeriksa kereta peserta novice....saya nak tanya pada anda berdua....logik ke kalau 10 atau 11 turn pakai bush...???dan ape effectnya kalau modified motor tu tadi pakai bush(bukannye bearing)......dan logik ke jugak kalao modified motor pakai pinion 33 dan spur 90.......pikir la sendiri jawapannye....

kami hanya periksa perkara perkara luarannye sahaja(basic) kalau nak periksa sampai bukak motor tu...saya rasa kena la buat race dua hari....atau pun next year...korang berdua buleh la join chee yoong ke world cup...dan kat sana sure diaorg periksa macam mana korang nak tadi tu...empat hari race tu...kami sehari je........

so..saya harap...perkara bergini tidak berlaku lagi pada race race akan datang...jika ada masalah....terus tampil kehadapan...dan direct ke organizer....senang organizer amik tindakan terus.....

pikir pikirkan laa....


cheers..

**p/s:harap dapat kenal awak berdua....

Dear Faidzal,
The answer is logic. and technically it can be easily done. You should understand the concept of bushing and bearing first by not focusing on our RC world but engineering knowledge. Hope you try it, for the sake of fun only.

[Nitro_Dust]

Frankly speaking, the MNC so far had been great but of course it can be better. Many opt to pull out bcos they don't see the objective of it. They only want to know what is there to win. People who had stuck by the MNC is due to PASSION. Even some RC distributors who promised to contribute for lucky draws buat tak tau only. Disappointing! I guess it now down to us only.
The Ttwangsa race was the best thus far due to the track, both on & off road, and bcos many of us started RC knowing only this track.

Pak Ya,

My suggestion would be to have the last race here too. Bring NOREX here, then we can have off-road & drift again. I don't see any point in involving the GP as MNC isn't focusing on GP. Don't mean any disrespect to GP guys but mixing GP & EP isn't ideal cos of the long wait to the EP guys. Besides EP now has 4 categories.

krcc,

The VCD really canggih!!! done like a hollywood producer!!! I'm impressed! Those who didn't get one, well, you should! Cover every round la!

Yes, Titiwangsa is so far one of the best in the country. Dear Mr Ong. what suspension set-up U using during your MOD motor race (MNC4).

[Nitro_Dust]

Saya amat setuju dengan apa yang di perkatakan oleh Bro Chee Yong. Semasa saya mula-mula menyertai race dulu, saya telah mengalami apa yang chee yong katakan. Ada satu ketika saya rassa chee yong dapat ' special motor' dari yokomo . Tapi lama kelamaan selepas saya lama dalam bidang ini. Sebenarnya pengetahuan dan pengalaman kita yang akan memastikan samada kita laju atau tidak. TETAPI laju tak semestinya MENANG. TERSILAP ... boleh singgah kat longkang / pagar  

So bro berdua boleh datang jumpa kami bila next race untuk tips macamana untuk melajukan stok motor anda tanpa melanggar peraturan sediaada.

Cheers..  

Dear Guys, I'm interested with this topic, I was an EP drivers but due to the same reasons those days, I swift to GP coz' need more fun and still having fun Since I still retain my equipment, I went to the scene (Titiwangsa - MNC) to have a glitch of fun you all having. Yeah, like Mr Ong has mentioned there's still a lot that can be done to make the race better.  Congratulation to the organizer....but what is the yelling on the marshall??? dear sirs, are they the drivers? or somebody you pay for the job? puzzled.

No comment on mod motors coz' the name is MODIFIED. Mr Ong's was damn fast and the 3 cars behind wre fast too. A battle of overall skill, equipment and knowledge.

I'm loughing on the stok motor race. I was wondering and aiming on the fast cars only. Yeap...I can confirmed that this guy is not using a STOCK 23T. may be a 12T armature replacing 23T just may be. I'm monitoring the fast car (only on the 2nd, 3rd heats and first final. as I say I love fast car only. The motor being changed after the organizer and other drivers started to realize therefore the fast car only managed to a third placing on the second final.

This act of disonesty would be very negative to this RC world. You won't  be supprised. Coz' I've experianced it before.

I've then experimented my self. where I used 12T Kawada armature and slot it into a Yokomo 23 can with bushing. Of course to use 12T ratio. It gave a faster stock motor compared to 23T stock especially for a track like Titiwangsa.

KRCC may state the spec of the equipment which only the spec anybody can get from the manual. Its a good try...but sorry bro I don't buy it.

I also agree with Pak Ya that time constrain may led alot being left behind. Not easy to perform a race. Drivers would also be at least 1/2 pro.

Lots more to say. but no time to spend. Still eager to joint back EP. Hope that my comment is helpful. Let the past years be the a lesson to all who wanted to see more EP players. You be suprised that GP drivers started from EP.

[Chee Yong]

Frankly speaking, the MNC so far had been great but of course it can be better. Many opt to pull out bcos they don't see the objective of it. They only want to know what is there to win. People who had stuck by the MNC is due to PASSION. Even some RC distributors who promised to contribute for lucky draws buat tak tau only. Disappointing! I guess it now down to us only.
The Ttwangsa race was the best thus far due to the track, both on & off road, and bcos many of us started RC knowing only this track.

Pak Ya,

My suggestion would be to have the last race here too. Bring NOREX here, then we can have off-road & drift again. I don't see any point in involving the GP as MNC isn't focusing on GP. Don't mean any disrespect to GP guys but mixing GP & EP isn't ideal cos of the long wait to the EP guys. Besides EP now has 4 categories.

krcc,

The VCD really canggih!!! done like a hollywood producer!!! I'm impressed! Those who didn't get one, well, you should! Cover every round la!